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Post by littlesongbird on Oct 14, 2011 17:58:35 GMT -8
When you word it that way, then I can see how it makes sense
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Post by victoriousscarf on Oct 14, 2011 21:30:11 GMT -8
Poor Meadow, I was the one to figure out the bird scene. XD
Yes, Cori always seems to use cruelty as a defense. It's never good for my muses... Thank you as always for leaving a review.
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Post by littlesongbird on Oct 15, 2011 5:20:31 GMT -8
welcome :D
so far enjoying the newest chapter of Buffy verse (just a minor nitpick that I can see. Over here: - I know it's Cass since she was ordered to eat a sentence before but her name's missing.)
Loved the comment about putting a bell on Mac (would love to see that scene, honestly)
Feeling a bit sorry for Jenny - probably didn't want to know about this side of her daughter's life and is about to get a rude wake-up call.
I'm hoping for a Jerrie/Mac fight - should be epic
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Post by victoriousscarf on Oct 15, 2011 11:16:22 GMT -8
Honestly putting a bell on Mac would probably get a hand yanked off. I don't think even Grids would be able to pull that one off.
I don't know, you'd be surprised how in denial people can be about the supernatural, especially in Sunnydale. Especially in later seasons. Rude wake up calls aren't gonna be showing up for a while.
Jerrie and Mac have a long, involved history. I am making no major predictions on what they do.
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Post by littlesongbird on Oct 15, 2011 14:16:47 GMT -8
Oh, yeah, I can see that happening ::wince:: not a pretty picture ((somehow this triggered a Buffy dream - something I've never had before. It was.. interesting. It had the main Buffy cast plus the addition of a male Slayer which suspiciously looked like Misto. I think my brain broke somewhere))
This is true - denial seems to run rampant in that town (and we thought Misto was the only one with a claim on it)
I'm hoping for at least one fight between them (especially since they have that history you've mentioned)
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Post by littlesongbird on Oct 16, 2011 14:31:21 GMT -8
Yes! Yes! Finally! Whoohoo! They came out of the closet - joke fully intended at this point. ((Why yes, yes I am reading BatB!verse, how could you tell?)) Been dying to see Cori and Misto get together. Down right adorable :D Squee
And I love the Tugger/Tumble moment - so sweet. And I love the fact that you're showing us more of Tugger's past as the story unfolds.
((posted it to the fic proper, but wanted you two to see my squees here first))
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Post by victoriousscarf on Oct 16, 2011 14:38:13 GMT -8
((Woo hoo!))
Yes, they came out of the closet. Finally. Oh those two, especially through the rest of the story now...
I think Tugger's past comes up again in the next chapter too. Because, it is something that needs to be expanded for him to be a dimensional character. So we work on that.
As to that dream... Male Misto Slayer would be a wee bit scary. For some reason he's showing up in my head more like the Buffy from the Wish!Verse which is more disturbing on top of that.
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Post by littlesongbird on Oct 16, 2011 14:46:36 GMT -8
As soon as I saw that Vic and Jenny got them to get in there to talk - I squeed. Finally, after how many chapters we finally got those two lunkheads to sit and talk. I loved Misto pounce cuddle. I think I was a little pool of aww..
::cheers:: That's going to be awesome - because seriously, Disney really didn't give us a whole hell of a lot to work with in understanding where his parents were, how they died (if they died since it never is quite clear), why the staff was raising him, and so on and so forth with a thousand different theories at least. ((Like why did a French prince have an English butler since dear /Lord/ those two countries had /issues/ with a captial I and fireworks exploding behind the word))
I vaguely recall Giles getting miffy at there being a male Slayer, until it was pointed out that VanHelsing was a male Slayer (in a sense) and then he wasn't as miffy, but still not entirely happy at the thought of it being a male Slayer.
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Post by littlesongbird on Oct 18, 2011 4:58:56 GMT -8
I think you just got me addicted to another story of yours and I've barely started to read it yet (The medieval Ireland fic. My focus in college (well, the timeframe, not the country) :D I promise I won't nitpick anything too harshly with it.) ((Although, I will confess that I intially thought it was going to be an Irish Cats version of Disney's Gargoyles. ...It was the whole Viking thing. >.> First couple of episodes started in 994 to establish history for the Gargoyles. ...what can I say, Gargoyles was an early fandom for me, one of my firsts, to be accurate))
Was very excited to wake up and find new chapters to BatB!verse and Victorian!verse :)
I did sniffle when Tugger began his tale. I agree with Misto and Tumble at this point - he was eleven bloody years old, she was being harsh with her reaction ((There had been a scene planned where you saw the transformation in the first movie - but at the time, two of the art crew could only picture the young prince turned Beast as Eddie Munster, so needless to say, we got the stained glass instead)). And Tumble accurately voiced my opinion of the whole thing (hell, even tvtropes.org touched on it - how the hell is turning him into a beast with the world's shortest hair-triggered temper at that point supposed to make him learn how to love)
I did chuckle at Tugger's "You think I'm a judge of normal?" line - because, seriously, normality is no longer an issue with him at this point XD
And oh, God, now I'm officially afraid for Tugger, Tumble /and/ Skimble - what with Martin being tossed at them. This can not end well. I literally shuddered when I saw his name as the owner of the Maison des Lunes (which ironically translates to House of the Moon, if my French is anywhere near accurate. And given the Jellicles' obsession with the moon, it is a fitting name, especially in this universe, even if they aren't cats)
And oh, /no/! Poor Tugger with the deadline being tomorrow. Oh, please let that petal defy the odds and hang on for just a little bit more.
And on to the Victorian!verse Finally we get a chance for a mother/son talk. Now, hopefully, with that cleared, we can see a little more mother/son bonding (I'm hopeful, but I'm not going to be overly so). Did enjoy the interaction between Mac/Cori and Cori/Misto.
Did get a good chuckle at Misto confusing Jerrie and Tea when he told them where the silver was and going basically "oh, steal away. I really don't care". And I think the Tea/Jerrie is adorable (honestly, I forgot they were related in this 'verse. I had thought they were a married couple with how they acted ::shrugs:: eh)
now onto medieval!verse Adoring how the characters seem to fit flawlessly into the time frame (although, was a bit surprised to see Mac a proper cat while everyone else seemed human. Unless Mac's watching Misto has another meaning that I haven't come across yet) ((I will confess that I've yet to watch "The Secret of Kells" but I know of the book, having read of it. It's supposed to be a gorgeous book.))
((reviews are also posted on the proper fics in addition to being here))
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Post by victoriousscarf on Oct 18, 2011 15:27:43 GMT -8
((Much as I enjoy the opening of Gargoyles... no. I can't see ever quite writing that one. XD)) Well, the thing with this verse to keep in mind as well is medieval Ireland was a different culture from a lot of Europe, and also, the film we're basing this off got quite a few things wrong, but since it's plot specific we're keeping them in. *Shrugs.*
Mac is fully a cat. It's probably my favorite animated cat of all time, and even though his lines are so simple, he embodies a cat so beautifully. The book is of course gorgeous though... it's less a book you /read/ and more one you stare at since it's I think two if not four of the Gospels so chances are you've read it before. XD The manuscript itself is what's famous, and impossible to read unless you know medieval latin but the pictures are lovely. The movie is also quite beautiful as a lot of the artwork is inspired by the art in the book and other Irish medieval art/poetry.
Yes, Martin is scary whenever he shows up, and no, Tugger is really /shit/ at figuring out normal. He's like, um? Singing furniture has not allowed him to grow up as a judge of normal here.
I'm not sure I would call it bonding yet, but they're finally at least admitting they have issues with each other ((Misto and Sera)). Or at least Misto's finally admitting it. He's very bitter toward his mother. In fact, Victorian!Misto is just so deeply bitter all over the place. He makes most other Misto's including Felidae look downright fluffy.
Naw, they're not married. Just lovers at the moment. We'll see where they ended up. The cousin thing was really to deal with the fur patterns at a reason why they would know each other so well in that era.
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Post by Meadowlark on Oct 18, 2011 15:55:32 GMT -8
Maison des Lunes does indeed translate to House of the Moons, interestingly enough, Disney scripts spell it both Lunes and Loons, though Lunes is more common in the script. They couldn't really use the French word for "crazy" as 1 it wouldn't fit the rhythm of the song and 2 it's already a character name (Le Fou translates to "the crazy").
The other thought that I've always had regarding the transformation is that really the beast learned very little. Think about it for a moment: an old woman comes to the castle seeking shelter and he turns her away and so she turns him into a beast. An old man comes to the castle seeking shelter and what does he do? He doesn't turn him away, but he does lock him up in the dungeon. Not sure we've improved our reaction to guests.... There was a fic that I read at one point where Maurice was actually a sorcerer seeing if the enchantress had been to harsh. Needless to say it didn't end well.
The petal will respond as petals do. In other words? It will act like the rest of the things in our story and likely do what we least want it to.
Mother/son bonding...beyond that requiring Misto to be a good deal less bitter, Sera has an absolute fear of interacting with her son and making things worse. She's been closeting herself away for too long, and it's about time she realize that, but mother/son bonding is a long way off for both of them.
Oh, Jerrie and Teazer...as VS says, they're just lovers at the moment (*gasp* scandalous) but they work that way. I do rather enjoy the pairing rather than the siblings, and have just never been able to get the sibling thing to work without very specific muses for both of them.
And KellsVerse, I'm so glad that one's turning out well so far. It's a joy to write and involves vastly different muses (I think some of my usual ones were trying to exorcise the ones that came out of this verse because they were so all over the place.)
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Post by littlesongbird on Oct 18, 2011 18:55:50 GMT -8
Oh, I remember reading that fic as well - it was a bit of a "oh, God, you /idiot/" moment on the Beast's part. You thought he would have learned his lesson, but /no/. He had to be a complete idiot and attempt it a second time. At least Maurice wasn't a sorceror in Disney canon, otherwise /oi!/
((my first attempt to writing fic for Gargoyles was so full of crack I ended up throwing out the printed pages when I reread it years later. I barely remember the plot save that it involved Goliath, Katherine and a sorceress, and it was terribly written))
Oh, I can believe it - I did read a bit on medieval Ireland for my medieval Europe history classes ((Even if I wanted to throw things when we watched Elizabeth with Cate Blanchett...)) 'Twas an interesting time to be sure. ((And there are coloring books for the Book of Kells. Want them with a terrible passion))
And Jerrie/Teazer are interesting since even in the movie, you're not quite sure what the relationship is. Personally, I think they're cute however they end up in the long run
And I thought I was only imagining the bitterness in Victorian!Misto - please tell me that will change somewhat after he gets to know Cori better. Anything to get him from being so damn bitter (....will not say anything further in that regard. Lest I corrupt minors.)
As soon as I saw "Martin" I went "oh, God, why did Mac let him off his leash for a little while? Doesn't he know how much trouble he is?" That and a cringe, and an "Oh God this is not going to go well for anyone... except Martin".
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Post by victoriousscarf on Oct 18, 2011 22:42:29 GMT -8
My first historical research paper I ever did was on medieval Ireland, and I spent a month there this summer, so not that I'm anywhere near an expert but that is an area I quite enjoy. I'm just usually more of a modern historian.
No, you're not imagining the bitterness in Victorian Misto. It really comes from a couple sources. One of which was... a past relationship and the other is the very society he comes from. He's not quite on the level of a Thomas Hardy hero, but Victorian society is constructed to pretty much crush my Mistoffelees muse. He does not do terribly well in that time period. If he is ever given the chance to be himself and flourish though... well, that should help.
Yes, Martin. There's only one other verse he ever shows up in, thank god. Though that verse looks pretty bad... we'll see how it goes. Luckily he has such a small role in this one.
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Post by littlesongbird on Oct 19, 2011 4:13:56 GMT -8
That sounds much more interesting then what I covered (my thesis was the impact of marriage on noble women in medieval England. I even went as far as using Chaucer in it - and that was a headache, especially reading it through modern eyes.)
Shall we worry for Misto if he ever gets to Hardy level bitter? And I hope things get better for him in that verse, he really deserves to have a little happiness ((I'm going to assume that Victorian!Misto takes the placed of '20s!Cori in terms of having a soured relationship prior to the events of the story/game))
And a thank goodness that Martin only has a small bit in BatB!verse ((and now I'm intrigued by the other verse he shows in))
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Post by Meadowlark on Oct 19, 2011 9:13:04 GMT -8
Oh Chaucer...That's my area to some extent. Took an entire course on studying his work (In Middle English...that was a joy). Pandarus' role in Troilus and Cresideye is an interesting way to look at what marriage was and was not, and how certain things could be accepted wile others could not. Who am I kidding, Cresideye herself is an interesting look at marriage or the lack of it in that society.
As to Victorian!Misto vs. 20s!Cori.....that's how it was supposed to go, we'll see if they hold to it.
The other verse is hopefully a while in coming yet, but never fear it will show up eventually.
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